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IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:11 pm
by richardcd
Ideal Flight causes P3Dv4 to enter an 'End Scenario' approximately 10 seconds after unpausing the program (P3D) when trying to fly a scenario generated by Ideal Flight 10.
(additionally, it causes UT-Live to fail to load with P3D)

There is nothing wrong with P3D because it runs perfectly on its own.

However, as soon as I load Ideal Flight and ask it to 'Fly Now' then once its loaded the scenario into P3D it goes into the 'End Scenario' loop, that is no matter how many times I press 'Resume' it goes back to the 'End Scenario' screen.

The same happens if I start P3D from within Ideal Flight from a blank PC (no other programs running except Ideal Flight)
Once P3D starts up it goes into the End Scenario loop after unpausing P3D.

(Copied over from General Forum area)

Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:11 pm
by Steve Waite

Can you try startup behaviour None? Startup page popup menu.

Can you provide some information? What plane are you using? Do you get the same issue with a stock aircraft? Which version are you using of IF, please try 03 from newbuilds section preview discussion?

Also in C&D page can you try 'start in-paused', or 'pause after start'. Sometimes starting up already paused can cause issues for some addons.

Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:19 pm
by Steve Waite
Any luck? Seems like the problem with testing the new loading method. Did you try Preview 03 In the newbuilds section? Thanks.

Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:21 pm
by richardcd
Yes I did try the 027ecpre03 after I sent in the problem and it continued to do the same.
I was initially running 027eb.
The plane is a Carenado C690B.
I've just uninstalled and going to try a fresh install with 027ec pre03 and I'll try your various options before coming back one way or the other.
This may take a few days before I respond.
I do have a day job and leave at 06:30 each morning.
Incidentally, PF3 program is misbehaving too.
But, FSTramp isn't nor is UTLive (as long as IF10 isn't) and EFASS NG, for what good it is at the moment, also runs.
And ChasePlane runs flawlessly too, sometimes.

Speak back soon,
i7 6850K, x99 ASUS mboard, 64G RAM, 1080 Ti & 1080 Founders, 3 x 27" ASUS monitors, HOTAS Warthog & MFG Crosswind Pedals

Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:19 pm
by Steve Waite
Hi Richard,

Thanks for your support and getting back with info I should be able get to the bottom of that problem.

Please remember we are testing a few new functions that are not a requirement for correct operation of Ideal Flight, but are intended as work-arounds for various problems encountered by some addons in P3D. And so with any issues the first thing for us to do is set IF to run P3D with no special startup behaviour - select "None" in the popup menu on the first IF screen before going onto the airport page.


Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:05 pm
by Steve Waite
Hi Richard,

So far I've been unable to recreate the issue you are having. I'll wait for you to come back on the result of your P3D reinstall.

Regarding UT-Live; are you starting from the exe.xml? That file is used by P3D to invoke the UT-Live exe when P3D starts. When we press the IFPro Fly! button the sim is started with the hidden command line, the same command that Explorer uses when we choose a saved flight file and select the popup menu item "Open with..." P3D. The way that works is if P3D is already running the flight file is loaded, if P3D is not running Windows starts the sim and then the sim loads the saved flight. So UT-Live would only start if the sim is not running in the case of starting with exe.xml.


Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:10 pm
by Steve Waite
Hi Richard,

Just to bump this enquiry.

There has been no reports of this other than this one mention. I have not been able to recreate it. Since IF works on a stock build it is likely some kind of error is evolved in your setup. If the stock sim works perfectly we must look at the setup of some kind of addon since IF has no influence on the running or closing of the sim. The only difference with IF is that the sim is launched into the cockpit with the standard .fxml flight file from the Windows shell "open with" command.

Please check out the latest preview build. More coming shortly in Preview 03 - would be handy to know if the error still exists on your system.

Has it since corrected?

Re: IF10 & P3Dv4 End Scenario Loop

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:26 pm
by Steve Waite
Ideal Flight starts the flight from a flight file which utilises resources of the sim in a different way. That's nothing to do with IFPro, that's just how P3D works.

Sometimes addons and combinations have not been tested thoroughly in this way and problems can arise.

So it might appear that IFPro has caused a fault, in fact IFPro has shown you that a fault exists in the setup that may not be showing up when you use the sim differently. Always best to eliminate addons first to check the system out before placing blame.

IFPro is a go/no-go gauge of sorts which adheres specifically to the simulator requirements like no other addon.

We use Ideal Flight Professional and >augmented to determine the health of the systems.

The end scenario loop described is merely an addon that restarts when the sim ends. Ideal Flight simply cannot do this, but the different starting sequence can surface the error.

There are four starting behaviour methods we can use to sniff out problems.

Used wisely IFPro will enable you to work out problems and improve the performance of your setup.

Look out soon for preview build 03.